After
I got done reading TF144’s winter edition (It didn’t take long) I thought I’d
do a year in Port Polar Bear report. This should be long enough to give Larry
some page filler in the winter of 2004. Since we tend to do things a little differently
up here maybe this will also help all the southern boys understand us northern
folk.
We’ll
start with the winter building sessions, the early battles, the
big trip to NATS and back to winter building. This will mostly be about Larry, Andy,
Grant, Ron and myself since we make up the core of our
little club.
Building
meeting #1 for the year was at Ron’s
shop (As unusual) on January 11th. Ron,
Andy, Grant, Larry and Murray were all there for the work session. Ron worked mostly on the plug for the SoDak he is
making for Charley. It is in a very rough shape right now. He also is trying to
make his Lion turn better by moving the rudders. I’m not sure if it will ever
turn very well but he is going to move the rudders back from the stern and farther
apart. He took off the old sheeting with some thinner. He used weld wood to put
it on and taking it off was easy. Larry is planning on battling the Tiger again
this year (He said that last year too). The Tiger is an old scratch built ship
(mid 90’s I think) and needs updating before she comes out of retirement. He
did manage to rip off the old skin and take the old water channeling out of it
today. Andy and Grant spent most of there time sweeping Ron’s
shop (Their very part time job). Grant did have his LST there and did a little
layout on a K-class cruiser he has some strange plans for. What they are I
can’t remember. Murray
milled around and talked about his Lutzow and how close to done it is. He is
talking about getting a big battleship next (Nagoto, NC,
SoDak…) his building list is endless. I can’t wait to get some shots at the
Lutzow this summer, the prettier the ship the more I want to shoot it.
Let
me back up here and give you the list of things I need to do for the Warspite
this winter. After NATS last year several captains gave me a long list of
things that needed to be better. Water channeling was the big one. I had used styrofoam insulation with no covering on it. This was
braking off and causing some pump clogging problems. I also am rewiring the
entire ship. I built my radio box nice and big so I had lots of room in it but
it barely came out of the ship. I have already added Dean’s Ultra connectors to
everything. My props and rudders are also getting moved to the same locations
as Chris Au’s Malaya. I am hoping that this
will get my ship to turn and move more like his. Up to this meeting I had half
of the water channeling done and the rudders & props glued back in. I spend
the day before the meeting cutting and sanding new water channeling for the
Warspite. I had to stay up late to get it all done. My garage is not heated
during the winter and the resin smells too bad to use in the house so I can
only do that at Ron’s shop. As soon as I got to Ron’s I put all of my parts
(They are in a bucket) and the ship on his scale to check my weight. Right now
I am 2+ pounds under weight, odd. At this meeting I put lots of resin in the
ship. I also did a little prep work for my wiring when I was waiting for things
to dry. I left my ship at Ron’s to dry and picked it up latter that week.
In
between meetings I got all of my wiring done with only one mistake. I mixed up
two black wires on a throttle switch and got a direct short. A new switch and
the correct layout fixed that. I also took some light weight bondo and filled
in all the gaps in my water channeling. Unfortunatly I did not think the bondo
smelled too bad so I did it in the basement when my wife had some of her
friends over. They did not like the bondo smell as much as I did,
opps.
Building
meeting #2 was at Ron’s on February
8th. Ron, Murray, Curly (And his two
boys), a new guy (I can never remember new guys name) and myself were there. We
called Larry to find out what he was up to and found out he was sick. Ron was disappointed to hear his cleaning crew was
not going to show up. Curly was taping his Konig hull up for cutting. It was
the only thing he thought he could do with the boys running around. They had a
great time sliding around in the saw dust all over the shop. Curly is not too
optimistic about battling this year. That’s too bad as I think he is a barrel
of laughs and I would like to try and sink the “Unsinkable Posen”. When I first
started battling with my cruiser it was me and Curly vs everyone else. We were
always the only ones left on the water, as Curly sank everyone else; I just had
to cut them off. Ron was much
farther on the SoDak plug. Just the stern and bow to finish and it gets sent to
Charley. The new guy is building a Lutzow so Murray went home and brought his so they
could look it over. He bought two coil mag guns and was trying to find a way he
could get them both in the stern turret. I finished covering the water
channeling with resin and also put some on the deck. Once again I checked the
weight (Still under!) and left it at the shop to dry. Ron
and I swept up the shop and talked about the upcoming NATS, last NATS and maybe
upsizing his pond. I have been looking all over for a NATS pond up here and
have had no luck so far. All of our ponds are too deep or have too many weeds in
them. It has been snowing like mad up here (21 out of 25 days) Ron says his yard is waist to chest deep. Looks like
the pond will be nice and deep again this year.
In
between meetings I finished my wiring and put all of the guts back into my
ship. I did have to grind out some channeling to get the gear boxes back in.
Everything fit before the resin went in!?! Last year I had a big polar bear
head on my ship. It got me shot at (Not up) at night battle by my teammates.
This year I want to make it spin with my pump so I know if it is on, I also
think this will look funny and get a few laughs. My first try was a flop. The
motor spun the head too fast and caused a very bad vibration. Now I need to
find a smaller motor. I was going to try and use a servo motor (Pot burned out)
but I after I took it off of the board I though about the other servo that had
a bad motor. I took off that motor and put on the good one, presto a spare
servo. I am hoping to get the sheeting done before the next meeting. Maybe I
can even get her on the water. The pond behind Cub (Grocery store) is partially
open as I write this (3/1/04).
I told everyone in January that we should schedule our first battle for March
14; maybe we can really have one. I hope everyone else is close to done with
their winter building.
Well
the weather got cold again and more snow too. So I still have not been on the
water. But, I did get the ship sheeted and got the spinning polar bear head to
work. I took the broken servo and glued it into the deck and put a servo horn
under the head. Now it spins at a nice speed.
Building
meeting #3 was at Ron’s on March 14th.
Ron, Murray, Curly (And his two boys), Larry,
Grant, Andy, Kevin Bray and myself were there. Kevin, Susan and his two boys
came up to stay with us for 5 days. I’m not going to go into the details of
having four small kids, 7, 5, 3, 1, running around the house (Those of you with
kids know what I mean and if you don’t have any it’s best you don’t find out)
but it was a crazy weekend. The big hit was going to The Mall of America and
the indoor amusement park Camp
Snoopy. At the meeting Ron finished the SoDak plug and put it in a box for
shipment to Charlie. He may even
have worked on the Lion for two minuets. Larry, Grant and Andy tested the
systems on the I-Boats for problems and made the “Fix it” list. Did not look
like there was a lot of items on there, but I did not look that close. I put
some more fiberglass on the stuffing tube struts and
painted the freshly skinned hull. Kevin brought all of the parts and tools to
make a gun and gave us all a lesson in gun building. It took a lot longer then
I thought it would to finish it. He was missing one piece and was not able to
test fire it. Murray
took notes on the whole event. I took my guns apart and found the pistons in
bad shape. These were starting to get sticky at the end of last year and need
to be replaced. Larry showed us the old way he built guns, he is still using
them! After the meeting we drove up to Ron’s
place to show Kevin our frozen battling pond. Then we sat around and talked for
about an hour. We also picked a date for our first battle April 18th.
I still have to finish my guns and put in a gasket on my lower deck. I really
should fix up the Mpls. for a “Demo” ship like it was last year. I let guests
or battlers with unfinished ships run her around. I need to fix the pump (I’m
not sure what’s wrong), put in new guns and put in new motors. The deck needs
some work too but that could wait.
Well
March finished up and April started. I somehow found quite a bit of time to do
ship work between the last building meeting and our first battle. I got the
Warspite out for sea trials as soon as the ice was off one of the local ponds
(April 3). I was surprised at two things; she now turns in reverse and was really
slow. But then I put the stern under and the motors got wet and she picked up
speed?!? I was able to get the gasket in the sub-deck and it seams to work very
well. Unfortunately the new BC guns I was waiting for did not show up before
the first battle so I went with the old super-geeks. The Mpls. even got worked
on this last month. I took out the old motors and replaced them, made new guns,
put the pump outlet straight out the stern, moved the rudder servo and added
some sub-deck.
Then
there was the first battle. Well it was not much of a battle but there were
bbs, balsa and boats. In early April Ron’s
shop picked up some work and he became to busy to battle the 18th.
Larry also had tons of work to do so he was not able to get to the important
boat work. There almost was not a battle but Larry managed to get one of the
I-boats ready and came to Chaska for a one on one with me. It was a beautiful
day for a MN April, 88 sunny but a little windy. The first sortie Larry
discovered that one of his rudders was not moving, cutting down on his
maneuverability. I of course took full advantage and pulled along side with my
haymaker in his bow. Larry also had his stern sidemount in my bow but the range
must have been off. For several seconds both of us blasted away, Larry pulled
back and turned on his pump and immediately said “Oh Bob you hurt me pretty
bad!” I also turned on my pump and had barely a trickle. So I swung my stern
around and blasted Larry’s stationary I-Boat several times. As the deck was
settling too low for the sterns I lined up the bow sidemount and took a few
more shots. Larry sank close to shore. I felt bad (Only a little) because the
whole thing maybe lasted 4 minuets. Since I had on shorts and junky shoes I
went in to get the stricken craft. Good thing I took off my shoes first because
the bottom of the pond was very soft and I was soon up to my ankles. After
Larry took his boat he needed to help pull me out of the pond. I had only shot
about half of my bbs but had made some nice holes in the side of the I-boat.
One of the bellows was big enough for my finger to fit in. I reloaded and help
Larry patch then we went out for sortie #2. Larry kept his distance this time
and did not try to hug-n-slug with me. I ended up chasing him around a lot. I
noticed that I was having problems with my rudders as they would not respond
and then would be fine. Larry called five and I was not able to chase him down
because I kept turning at the wrong times. As we were walking back to the
garage the ship carrier I have broke and the Warspite took a fall into the
dirt. The ground was soft though, I only bent one rudder. I took apart the
rudder servo and found a couple of broken teeth on one of the gears. I took the
servo out of Mpls and replace it. While I was doing this
Larry patched up some of his holes for sortie #3. The walk to the pond
was getting longer in the hot sun (In MN 88 is hot) and the wind was picking
up. I noticed that the Warspite was listing to port but was not sure if it was
the wind (Turns out the batteries moved when I dropped it and I did not put
them back). The wind was blowing so hard that Larry could hardly move going
into it. Every time I turned to the listing side the whole stern deck would go
under. This made for some difficult battling. I still managed to get some good
passes at Larry and he sank on his five. I’m sure he would have made if the
wind did not swamp him. We did not count the holes very close and Larry patched
part of them but the scores were about 10-2-5 for me and 70-10-40 for Larry. I think he said he
had 24 belows in sortie #1 and 16
after #3. It was a fun battle at a new pond, too bad more people
could not make it. I hope my BC guns arrive soon I’d like to get them in for
one local battle before the Fray.
I
did get my new BC guns and got them installed in the Warspite and Mpls in time
for the second battle May 16th at Ron’s.
Jason and Murray were both there but did not bring their ships. Ron still had to put a skin on his ship and had a
wiring problem that almost led to the death of an innocent soldering iron. I
helped Ron get his wiring
straightened out but we could do nothing about the skin today. I was ready to
shoot at something so I gave Jason the Mpls and we had a 1on1 battle.
Unfortunately for Jason (And me kind of) the rudder servo on the Mpls gave out
(A new one) and he beached himself. I could not resist the dead target and
emptied my guns into her even as the stern sat on the bottom. It was 74-6-24 I
think. After I finished patching all the holes I made, Ron
took the Mpls out. Again the rudder servo went out, Ron
did not turn the pump on in time and she sank in the middle of the pond. Ron did bite the bullet and waded out to get her. I
ran the Warspite around and dunked her in the water to test how she handles
with a lot of extra weight. I did need to put a little lead on the port side to
get her to sit straight when full of water. Next weekend I go to the Fray, I’m
sure there will be more than two boats on the water at that battle and we’ll
see how the Warspite and her captain respond.
The
Fray was a blast. The Warspite handled very well and did not have any
breakdowns. She took a lot of damage and stayed afloat (I did sink once). After
one battle Kevin B and I tried to run our ships under, I had the bow about a
half inch under water but stayed afloat. This trip got me very pumped up for
NATS. I came back with a short list of things that should get changed or
improved. One of them was the location of my sidemounts. I managed to get this
done before the next battle.
Our
next PPB battle was on June 6th at Ron’s.
Ron had the Lion sheeted and ready
to go, Larry came with the Tiger and Bell.
and Jason brought the hull of his PE. He did not bring
the supper structure and did not have his guns installed. I took a few minuets
and helped him get his guns in and firing. I had to use spare parts from Ron and my tool boxes to get them going. I often
think that we could build another ship just with our spare parts. When we
finally hit the water Jason and I did a quick cruiser battle to get his ship
tested. I took a few shots at him and let him take some shots at me. A few
minuets into it Jason got stuck on shore and Ron
walked over to push him off. As Jason backed up I shot him in the bow and Ron said that the bb went through the ship and hit
him in the foot. Jason did not have any interior armor in his ship, so I
stopped shooting at him. After Jason shot up the Mpls he pulled his ship off
and I put the Warspite in. Ron had
said that he did not want to get to shot up be cause he did not want to resheet
again before NATS. After a few minuets Larry’s Bell went to the bottom, he had the pump
wired backwards. Ron and I ran
around the pond until he ran out of bbs. Then I discovered a fun new game. Ron has a lot of tadpoles in his pond so I would
coast into shore and try to shoot them with my haymaker. I think I killed two
of them but it was hard to tell. I also took the Mpls back out and shot at the
weeds coming out of the pond for campaign target practice. Ron was driving his Lion around trying to find away
to make it turn better. He changed the rudders around this winter and it did
not help. After this one sortie we talked in the shed about getting the Tiger
ready and how Jason could improve his PE. Ron
is now going to move his sidemounts a little closer to 90 degrees. That was our
big battle, more of a building/testing meeting than a battle, but that’s how
preNATS goes up here. June 26 is our next one at Ron’s.
More testing and practice before NATS. I still have a few things I want to
change before NATS, need to get to that before it’s
too late.
The
26th was at the new Chaska pond. I was the only one there and just
did speed testing. A new guy, Mark, came to check things out and I not been
able to get a hold of him since.
NATS,
you’ll have to seen the Lars Chronicles for this.
Sunday
August 29. Ron, Moe, Ben (Moe's nephew) and I were there. Moe had his Lutzow
reedy to go for its first trip on the water and its first battle. When I got to
Ron's he was patching and Moe was back home getting his transmitter. I also had
to patch the Warspite and Mpls from NATS. A little after 1pm
we were all ready to go. The first sortie lasted only fifteen minuets but it
was action packed. Since there were only four ships we went with everyone for themselves. Ben was using the Mpls and trying to hit Moe.
Both of the cruisers also plinked at the two battleships. The main action was
Lion vs Warspite. Ron's stern gun
was jammed (by a bb dent we found out) so I chased him and hit him hard with
sidemounts and stern guns. We sat next to each other for a while trading bow
sidemount shots. Ron got the worst
of it and sank on his five. I also had a chance to shoot at the Mpls and she
sank too. Moe made it without any holes. Then he decided to test his pump and
Ben dunked the ship under water. This killed the rudder servo. It was starting
to rain and we all went back to the shed. Ron
counted and patched 93-12-30 or so. I showed Murray how I water proof my servos (Though I
can’t get it to work very well) and patched the Mpls 12-1-6 or so. Ron
got his stern gun fixed and just as we were all getting done the rain stopped
and the sun came out. At the start of the 2nd sortie Ron
discovered that one of his props was not spinning but stayed in to battle. He
sank a few minuets into the sortie; I don't think we counted him. I chased Moe
and Ben around and let them practice with the stern guns. I also let them know
not to get next to a haymaker. Moe got a piece of wire stuck in his pump outlet
and pulled his ship before it sank. Ben and I reloaded and chased around some
more. The Mpls bit the dust again after Ben was out of bbs. I did not count the
Mpls again but it had several large holes in it. I managed to line up at the
step deck as the ship went under and got off several good shots with the bow up
in the air. We found an exit hole on the Lion back at
the shop and found several gaps in Ron’s interior armor that was causing his
dents in the gun mags. We also found out that Moe did not have a screen on his
pump, a good thing to have. Moe had 20-2-5 or so the Warspite had 42-8-12 or
so. Sounds like Ben will be picking up a ship this year and will hopefully have
it done next spring.
Monday
9-6-04 A Labor Day battle, keeps me away from the Labor of my new house. Ron was busy this weekend but Larry and I were free
so we thought a 1on1 at the Roseville
pond would be fun. I called Paul and found out he was free also and almost had
his ship together. Paul came over to my new ship yard at 9am and we started patching the damage on my
ships and putting his back together. By noon
we were in the car and on the way to the pond. I spent the trip telling Paul
about NATS and trying to get him the commit to going next year. We got to the
pond and cleared some weeds off the shore so we could walk around and started
getting the ships ready. Larry showed up a little latter
and we were ready to hit the water. Until, Paul found a bad bb in one of his
guns and found major leaks in his sheeting. So he loaded up the Mpls to use her
in sortie 1. But, we found out that the rudder did not work. I did remember
that this is the original rudder servo in this ship. It is at the point now
that I need to hit the motor to break off the rust inside of it so it will
work. But I never have any problems when it gets wet, unlike all my other
rudder servos. Problem fixed let the battle begin. As soon as I hit the water I
lost the rudder on Warspite and spent the rest of the sortie going in circles
trying to get my guns on people. Larry and Paul were nice enough to get to
close to me a few times and get shot. Paul was soon out of bbs and I saw Larry
drive up on to the rocks next to shore. The Bell was so high on one rock the stern went
under and she sank. I told Larry that he finds a different way to sink every
battle. He walked over to the Bell
and was going to put her back in the water. In the mean time I was trying to
back into the Mpls with my haymaker so I did not see the smoke coming from the
stacks of the Bell.
Turns out Larry had a little fire in his ship (Not the first time). Paul and I
pulled the ships off the water and followed Larry up the hill. Paul started to
fix the leaks in his ship while I worked the bbs out of his gun so he could use
his ship in sortie 2. I replaced the servo on the Warspite and loaded the Mpls
back up. While I was trying to see how I’m going to get a water tight box in
for my rudder servos Larry showed me his melted wires on his radio box. Larry
has all of his wires on screws going into his radio box. Turns out he had a
lose nut (inside his radio box, not in his head) that fell on the +/- screws and shorted out the system. A one in a
million shot I said. Just another reason to make all of your connections
soldered. Paul had the Honolulu
ready to go and Larry took out the Mpls for sortie 2. Because Paul still had
leaks all over he stayed semi-beached on the rocks. I made him feel better by
parking behind him and letting him shoot me a few times. I did manage to use my
rudder this time and the Mpls sank. I took her out of the water and put her
back down so I could shoot at her some more. To my surprise she did not sink
right away. Larry had turned the pump off while shooting and forgot to turn it
back on. He did this one other time in sortie 3; it’s easy to do with the
gun/pump set up. I did go over were Paul was and managed to slide in-between
the rocks and get 20+ holes in him. He backed off the rocks to get away and
almost sank before he beached himself again. The Honolulu did not go out in sortie 3 but Mpls
and Warspite did. Paul ran the big ship and Larry ran Mpls again. The other
rudder servo in the Warspite went out and Paul had to turn in a circle to
shoot. The Mpls sank twice I believe, at one time it was just about under when
Larry stopped and it pumped out, I was quite surprised. The second time it sank
I dumped it out and put the stern under the water next to the Warspite and let
Larry fill her full of holes. Scores were counted (Kind of) Honolulu
5-1-15, Bell 33-8-22, Mpls
52-8-18, Warspite 117-11-16.
Ron (Lion), Murray (Lutzow), Ben (Mpls) and I (Warspite) battled on
Sunday. We spent the first part of the day helping Ron
get the Lion back together. Ben brought a foam insulation target ship with a
motor and rudder. We used it for target practice in between sorties. Ron and I started the first sortie trading bow
sidemounts. My strens opened up a quarter size hole in his bow. I also opened
up a dime size hole below the water line with my haymaker. After Ron sank I chased Ben and Murray around the pond.
Ben took over the Lutzow and Ron
took the Mpls for sortie #3 & 4. The Mpls sank in sortie 3. The Lutzow took
alot of damage and managed to stay afloat. After the battle we talked with Ben
about his own ship he is going to get this winter. Maybe we can make it out one
more time this year. Warspite 34-3-7, Mpls 63-7-12, Lutzow 71-6-13, Lion
83-10-9.
10/24/04 Sunday in Chanhassen (By my new
house!). Larry, Andy, Grant and I
showed up. Larry had the Bell,
all rewired from the fire last time, Andy had his I-boat and Grant ran my Mpls.
It was a long walk to the pond. When we got there we found that someone was
using the archery range, right where we wanted to battle. I have never seen
anyone out there before. Well, deer season does start in a week or two so bad
timing for us. We ended up using a different part of the shoreline, had to
knock down a few weeds but it worked out ok.
First
sortie Andy lost power just as he got in the water and pulled out. The Mpls has
developed a lose switch since my trip back from the Fray, so Grant had to play
with the trim tab to get it to go forward, hey it needs lots of work! So it was
me vs everyone. Since I did not feel like working on Mpls anymore I shot at her
very little to start with. This meant Larry got the most of my bbs. I shot all
of my sidemounts and a few sterns into him and he sank right next to shore. I
pulled out his boat (The water was cold). I let Grant take shoots at me since
he was having a hard time driving Mpls around and did not get into the action
too much. Right after I shot the last of my bbs at Grant Andy got back on the
water. I played bang bang with him, he really shot at me, and then we all went
back to reload. Larry patched his 41-14-20 (Sink) and the rest of us reloaded.
Before we started I told Grant that we should sink his brother, he said ok. So
I went after Andy and Grant decided to still shoot at me, brothers… Andy’s bow
sidemount is on his starboard side, my haymaker is on
the port side. Andy tried to chase me with his bow sidemount. I emptied my
haymaker and Andy sank about 20’ from shore and 40’ from us. I had my hip
wadders on and walked out to get his ship, the water was only waist deep and
the wadders did not have any holes in them. We found two very large holes
blasted into Andy’s side below the water line and one good hole
right at the waterline. I put him back on shore as a shore battery and went
after Larry. Both of us traded sidemounts and Grant got lined up really well on
me blasting away part of my latest balsa patch (This was over the large hole
Finster shot in me with his CA at the Fray). We all pulled out, I was pumping
pretty good by now. Andy patched the big holes and we
went out again. By this time our deer hunter had left so we moved to the nicer
shoreline. Things did not go so well. Andy sank driving over to the new place.
After a few minuets of battle Larry sank. I picked him out of the water and he
sank again. This happened several times as Larry tried to use up his bbs.
During this Andy was back out so I came over to shoot him up. He sank next to
shore and I started to chase Grant. This is when my pump clogged and I sank.
Grant & I still had bbs so I unclogged and went out again. More gung in the pump another sink, then another. I have a
lot of balsa coming off in big chunks. Not a good thing for the pump. While I
was chasing Grant, Larry was shooting me with his shore battery, I think Andy
did too. When we were all out of bbs we counted, packed up and went home. Larry
thought the pond would be good for a regional but NATS might be a stretch.
Scores were Larry 22-3-33
(Sink) Andy 41-4-49 (Sink) Grant 68-0-1 Bob 94-9-15 (Sink, stupid pump) Just
remember that Grant was the last one on the water and only one not to sink.
12/5/04 Building meeting at Ron’s shop. Ben and Murray were both there when I arrived at noon. Ron had started to take the
skin off of the Lion. He plans on getting new mags and barrels to replace the
dented ones he has, but no other major work this winter. He says he’d like to
get the Brooklyn he has up and running. Murray was just looking
without a ship and Ben was thinking about what ship he should get. We all
looked at the new plug Ron is making for Charlie. The Iron Duke is just missing
the casement deck and she’ll be off to Florida.
Ron even made the bilge keels in the hull this time. I was there to cut of some
water channeling. I thought using Ron’s air sander would be the easiest but it
turns out a hammer and chisel worked the best. The air sander is just too big
to fit in the ship. Curly and his two boys came in about 2pm, a small surprise. Curly was in the middle
of sheeting the Posen. I did not look\ to close to see if his gun rework that
started last winter was done yet. He did leave with a sheeted ship that just
needed some paint. Lars, Andy and Grant made it about 2:30. Andy ripped off his hull skin and Larry
and Grant made a to do list for their warships. They
also had their two LSTs along. Looks like the hulls are cut and the have
radios, motors, props, just need to get them all together. No Tiger was sited;
I have heard it has headed south… After I got the water channeling out I had
time to get the let over glue from my hull skin off. Before next meeting I hope
to have the remaining water channeling sealed. I also plan on rewiring the Mpls
this winter. Along with that I want to make a new deck for the CVL so she is
not as tippy. Ron seams to think that he is getting a Liberty hull or two that will also need work.